hey no worries bro at all
talking to others is the most important of all. Especially when different backgrounds exist. Those who do not listen to others or think they are the only ones who are right- they are the blind ones.
yeah. This is all self-love.
All Eastern Philosophy. Animism and all that. That we are the main character, we are the most powerful, we are God etc. I donβt follow this ideology (since Iβm Christian) hence I donβt practice that.
Like the world popularly says Follow your heart and Love yourself and You are the main character but the Bible says The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it? I, the LORD, search the heart, test the mind, even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings
In case you are interested, that is the difference between Christian ideology and Eastern religion. In Christianity, we do not consider man capable of reaching the perfect standard to save himself. We are like ants in front of God, so God had to take the form of an ant to save us because we cannot save ourselves. The example isnβt the best but I hope you get the idea.
Unless I am wrong, the Eastern world view is more about saving one-self. Either karmic retribution (seen in Islam also) where the good deeds must outweigh the bad. Or on improving oneself till they can become attune with God. Either way the onus is on the individual, they are the main character!
wise words, appreciate it.
I am not that sad. I am happy because I still have full trust in God. Not in myself but in Him who is greater than me. Whatever happens He has foreplanned. Like my pastor says, God has written both our successes as well as our failures in our book of life
Thank you for the detailed explanation brother
Learnt something new today about Christianity and its Religious philosophy
Fight back stronger and Give a strong come back
Both of you @PrDr@debellator
Best wishes for both of you
Keep flying high
Fight Fight Fight till the end
Thereβs a lot more to it brother. It is such a massive pool of knowledge, but then its expected from the philosophies which have existed for so long and have evolved continuously. The principle of Karma is over-hyped, most people using it for their convenience. Do you see how most followers of eastern religions today are staunch supporters of idol-worship and polytheism, finding a new lord for their every new work, or blaming everything on their Karma to avoid taking responsibilities. When you tell them originally Sanatan, Buddhism, Jainism or all the Eastern philosophies were very different, many of them begin using curse words or even take the route of intimidation, some threatening to kill you lol. This radicalism is something that has never been found in any Eastern philosophy, but yeah that is what twisted knowledge leads to. I donβt know any Christians around me so wonβt talk about them, but I see this with most Hindus (especially younger generation), Buddhists and Sikhs here.
Like I always say, most people of all the religions only see and propagate things that they want for the sake of their own name and gain. Religion is something very personal and I donβt think it should be something that should be debated or taught. People choose their own path.
I keep forgetting you are not a follower of Hinduism definitely interesting though- you donβt support polytheismβ¦
I mean there is a lot of inbuilt divisiveness that can be seen. Like castes and all. But not radicalization in that sense, definitely not. If people believe in karmic retribution I think they would be scared to kill others because I doubt that gives anyone βgood karmaβ
interesting you say this, because I think this again has to do with your upbringing which probably inclines you towards an approach of universalism. I believe religions are personal but truth is objective, hence the quest must be to find the βrightβ religion. In the sense that I do not believe in religions universalism. Either one is right and the others are wrong, or else everyone is wrong.
Religions are of two types:
Mutually exclusive - only our religion is right, all others are wrong
Mutually inclusive - this is the best way, but other religions also work
I donβt think itβs logically possible for mutually inclusive religion to exist. Since then it should include multiple mutually exclusive religions within itself, which would all contradict each other meaning none are true in the end, if you catch what I mean
Yes bro, I definitely get what you mean. And I do agree, and its because for minority of individuals like me itβs easy to have a different mindset, but majority of people, they do not think that way. Many are incapable to lead a clean and better life without religion, many oeople are even not capable to see the right thimg unless they are not shown those things. And then like you say, though mutually inclusive religion is better, it is still idealistic and not possible for majority to achieve.
As for what I believe in, I believe in everything that makes me a better person. So you can say I believe in everything and then believe in nothing LOL. But I do believe in the existence of God, so Iβm inherently inclined to respect every religion on the Earth, because for me all of them are merely the paths to same destiny. I practiced Hinduism earlier with my self-interests on top and ruined my life. It does not mean Hinduism is wrong, but I was practicing it in a wrong way. Just like how you talked aboyt caste-system, it was not supposed to be divisive, it was created based on professions and gave equal importance to everyone (a person without legs is lamb, a person without brains is retarded; as simple as that). But then it was made hereditary and then few groups began to be portrayed superior than others. But like I told you it can happen with any religion that has such a long history and has evolved continuously. Much like how Christianity evolved from its orthodox approach. It is something that I have just learned as I experienced life more and tried to look at these things rationally. I felt to just become more spiritual and still being indifferent to religion is a normal progression, that any rational thinker would go through. But then, my family is staunch Hindu and considers me an outcaste, so that does not help my case LOL.
And then many people just use the term βagnosticismβ to free themselves from limits of religious boundaries and get involved in immoral activities freely, become materialistic and destroy their humanity, which is again defeating the whole purpose of not only my philosophy but any religion or atheism as well.
Hmm
True. Being born in a so called βsuperior casteβ, I feel so sorry for people being suppress for centuries put together and being forced to do things out of their will which I canβt even imagine
I feel so ashamed of what my ancestors had done without showing any humanity
I feel like Caste Based Discrimination is NOT a thing of the past.
Its happening even now
Even within my family, they are extremely casteist.
I have rebuked them firmly and feel so angry when they do this
Cannot imagine the tragedies being faced by suppressed castes even today
So much of the privilege which I am having today was actually because it was snatched forcefully from other people
Sad
This inhumane thing needs to end sooner and has no place in this world
I hope we as Modern Educated human beings can grow above identities and divisions and see all human beings as One
World is One
I do not agree that Christianity is evolved though. Like, as a Christian, I can say that we are in complete agreement with the early Church. It is inbetween that the Catholics and other heretics came in, but a protestant will not agree with their teachings like purgatory and such. There is no such evolution of Christianity as a religion, in fact, compared to other religions progressive scholars see it as a flaw because other religions evolved with times and even evolve now to accommodate the sociocultural mindsets prevalent at the time but not Christianity.
fair enough, I know quite a few people like that. I donβt agree with it, but I do definitely understand your point.
not really; agnosticism means that one is unsure of the existence of God. If one is unsure of the existence of God then the idea of objective moral values becomes null. Because there is no standard to compare to. Only relatives. Hence the immoral agnostic is as right as the monk agnostic because neither can be sure of the standard for right or wrong, there is a 50/50 chance theyβre right.
yeah definitely.
But the thing is, culture plays an important role in our life as humans. To not be involved in ones culture, one would have to be a psychopath. Definitely agree with you, just saying that for older people it is hard to let go of things like this. Older people think they are right all the time. Especially once they cross 50s/60s
Only education (like you have excellently shown) can overcome this.
Same
I am open to all Religions
I am open to atheism
I have opened my mind to every philosophy in this world as long as it helps in the betterment of HUMANITY
I read Bhagavad Geeta, Bible, Quran
I read Sufi Philosophy, Shinto Philosophy, Zen Philosophy etc
Just open to everything
All these divisions like Religion, Nationality, Caste, Language, Ethinicity, Race etc feels Childish to me
Any mature rational adult will grow above all identities and live as a Human Being
This has been the case with other religions as well. For example in Buddhism, only Hinayan sect adheres to original Budhhist teachings and practices. But Vajrayan, Mahayana, Theravada, etc are still evolved forms of original Buddhism.
I do not agree with this brother. Because besides religious and individual morals, there are still social morals, and if you are basing your philosophy on logic and reason then youβd see that , committing crimes is not right, cigarette still causes cancer, no reason would take theft as a valid means of livelihood. These are just nuanced thoughts spread by immoral people who also justify β β β β and then hide behind the mask of agnosticism to validate their leanings. Nevermind though, they are only hurting themselves. I can only talk about myself here.
Same bro. Lets begin fresh in the morning and do our best. I believe in your abilities @debellator , youβve got this.
while I do agree that there are βevolvedβ forms of most religions, Christianity would be the only one that forewarned against this. Besides, all religions would have evolved depending on the socio-cultural time or else faded into irrelevance. Which is why its interesting to see Christianity be such a widespread religion in spite of the βlackβ of evolution.
religious and individual morals are based on what? If one is unsure God exists then one will not know the standard for doing good.
Social morals change with time and place. A German agnostic in 1945 would be absolutely sure what he was doing was right with respect to his individual and social morals, you know what I am referring to, yet we all know without a doubt what he was doing is wrong. By all logic and reasoning it would be right to hunt all animals for food, kill weaker individuals to eliminate competition and not share resources as they can become scarce. Logic and reasoning go against kindness and compassion.
Even if one can argue that kindness and compassion gives better life in the long run- for example, what is the logical reason one takes care of oneβs grandparents instead of sending them to an old age home etc.
After some self-reflection, Iβve come to the conclusion that an all-out dopamine detox is really necessary for me. Especially at this point in time. My mind has been not as sharp as Iβd like it to be, and my attention is all over the place. Hence for the next 3 weeks (that is, until November 10) I will practice strict dopamine detox. Here will be my updated check-list:
DopamineDetox, Day X
Spent time with God first
No using Instagram app or playing any video games or visit any unnecessary sites
Meditated
Wrote 250 words of creative writing
Updated on the challenge thread
Did not watch YouTube except for motivational purposes, during meals, or after 8 pm
Did not use Rewire Companion app/website until before 8 pm
Watched at least 3 coaching videos
Did something that was not in my comfort zone
Iβve really got to lock-in to complete this. As I got injured, the time of self-reflection and realization made me realize that although my physical strength and skill has been steadily rising as I train and put effort into it, I have been neglecting to do the same with my mental preparation.
So perhaps this step back was necessary, so that I can focus on the mental as well. And then slowly integrate the both of them.
My goals after this 30 days:
Mental clarity
My mind feels all over the place at the moment. My attention is not enough, and distracts too easily. I wish to change that.
Spiritual discipline
My spiritual disciplines which I used to follow regularly before have become less and less frequent due to the busyness I used to have everyday. But now, having less commitments, at least for a short while, I can focus back on whatβs important.
Academic Strength
I had been postponing my academic comeback in view of sports. But perhaps now is the time to focus on that as well. So that when I get back, I can get back better.
I will reflect on Nov 9th about how I feel. Hopefully better.
If permits, I may add sprinting and plyometrics in the last few days of the challenge based on what my doctor says.
My bad didnβt read the whole post I was in the salon that time, will love to know more things , but after your discomfort fades .
Lovely . Itβs also said in Geeta , do your work without worrying about the results . Kinda same , doing work is in our hands and the results is in Godβs , whatever they do is for us.
β¦ and the weaks and good people and make a world better place for them .
Polytheism is for a reason ig undertand it this way , Bramha Vishnu Mahesh the ultimate hindu Gods , and the Devas are created by Lord Brahma. And Shiva and Vishnu incarnated on Earth many times to save the good from the evil, like Shree Ram, Lord Hanuman, Shree Krishna etc. In some scriptures it is also mentioned Bramha Vishnu Mahesh are one . Thereβs no difference between Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva !
If someone thinks this way then in Sanatan anything that protects and supports life are worshipped, whether any being (living or non living) or energies. Like books and other things that provide knowledge are also worshipped as Saraswati maa, food as Anapurna maa etc. And those energies and beings are important and worshipped as they support life. Originally there are 33 Devas , many people infact Hindus misunderstood 33 koti devas as 33 Crore devas, which is wrong .
Not trying to prove anything but just clarifying few things for healthy discussion and clear some misunderstandings . Will love if you guys will tell us more about your religions.
They are fanatic morons , and such people are in every religion tbh. They are just online religious keypad warriors who cusses and threatens others for no reason. Sorry for your bad experience.
True most of them donβt take actions or work hard and end up blaming karma. But those who do and donβt get the desired result then maybe itβs because of their past Karmas.
Donβt take it as argument, just trying to clear things . @debellator and @PrDr .
At the end, every Religion has some learnings and most of them are same like humanity, surrendering to God and doing good deeds but some moron fanatics are in every religion, who threatens and pokes others for no reason in the name of joke and dark humour and sadly itβs spreading on the internet too. People tend to accept some bs and wrong cultures in the name of modernity but are not open minded to religions and their belief. I mean everything is fine and live happily accept them until they hurt your beliefs or pokes you .
The actual righteous religious person will not do such bs activity and try to be more connected to their respective Lords and do good deeds throughout their lives .
Will love to know more about your religions someday and I will also try to gain more knowledge about my religion too.
Spent time with God first
No using Instagram app or playing any video games or visit any unnecessary sites
Meditated
Wrote 250 words of creative writing
Updated on the challenge thread
Did not watch YouTube except for motivational purposes, during meals, or after 8 pm
Did not use Rewire Companion app/website until before 8 pm
Watched at least 3 coaching videos
Did something that was not in my comfort zone
Reflections
Just came to add my check-in. Will not use the forum again till post 8 pm.
Actually Iβd started practicing the detox from yesterday afternoon itself. My mind already feels a lot more clearer after I deleted all the unnecessary distracting apps.
Did some minor βcheatingβ by allowing myself to log-into the forum around 2-3 times a day and also watched a few of my friends gaming (while I didnβt play the game itself). But all in all it felt really refreshing to not have my mind overloaded with information and stimulus. Really feels good, I feel like a whole new person.
Now that I donβt have the mind-numbing content forced down my brain, my mind is a lot more expansive and in a thinking mood. Iβm currently working on world-building for a new novel I want to write, and Iβm liking how itβs going.
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me
definitely interesting though- you donβt support polytheismβ¦
Dopamine Detox, Day X
Mental clarity
. Itβs also said in Geeta , do your work without worrying about the results . Kinda same , doing work is in our hands and the results is in Godβs , whatever they do is for us.