Amas Diary - Thoughts along the way

Thoughts on Day 0

Relapsed yesterday morning. The whole situation with my partner was getting worse and worse in my head and I started spiraling down. It’s crazy that a single matter of concern can make me question my feelings for her, her feelings, the whole relationship…maybe the upcoming move in with her made it worse because I feel like a lot is depending on whether we spend a long time together or not. Meaning it’s now or never to make a decision.
Worst thing is that even though my concerns themselves still sound viable to me right now, tye things constituting them were there the whole time. The only thing that changed prior to my doubts and all are the moving and my addiction coming up again a bit. Was it really only that, or did it happen to happen at the same time? I don’t know. I’m just really confused and inpatient right now. Like I want a solution now.
But dealing wirh this uncertainty for a few days without relapsing might teach me a lot. Because nothing is ever completely perfect and I need to start to accept this.
See you the next few days. Might be checking in more often in the coming time.

Thoughts on day 3

Feeling okay. So far these were the easiest three days I ever passed after a relapse. Sometimes low urges, but it’s more an abstract longing for release from stress than the certain urge to watch/listen to porn.
I notice that I’m quite tired and exhausted the last few days, but I’m not really convinced that it’s an after effect of relapsing. I didn’t sleep too much the past two days and there’s still the more or less solved situation in my relationship. I have to give that one time and see where it is leading.
Also, I have to start my workout routine again and continue working on my music. I did that for quite a while now and I need to make it not only a habit but my Lifestyle. Ironically in times of need I get even less motivated to do so, when those would be the things that actually would help me get my head into other places and maybe put my problems in a bigger picture, so they become smaller. Get some perspective on these things instead of closing my door and locking myself in with them

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Thoughts on day 9

Just a quick check in.
Feeling pretty good. I actually had to think for a minute to figure out the day the urges stopped. I think I didn’t consider PMO for the last two days at least.
Yet again the biggest challenge I’ll face will be to continue pushing forward in other parts of my life and not being dragged down by the realization that I didn’t do so for the last few years. To accept that, and just do me from now on.
I also figured that I seem to have really big issues in trusting people. I knew that before, but not to what extent it is part of my personality, decision making process and how it influences the way I treat and think about people near me. It’s more difficult than I thought to fight against that, no matter if I know about it or not. It’s like I’m not able to find out if I can trust someone, and otherwise just do me, I either trust people completely or I’m super suspicious of them without reason. And the closer people are, the worse it is I guess.

But it’s something I can work on, so here we go for another good long streak :slight_smile:

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Thoughts on Day 0

Alright, I have to admit it was the easiest 9 days I ever passed. Still, I didn’t stay alert to potential urges, and when they hit yesterday, I was at this mindset of “oh it’s not that bad, it’s just a little peek”.
And yes, it was only that, and yes, I didn’t “fully” relapse as I did months (! :slight_smile:) ago, but still, I didn’t stay true to the goals I set myself, so here we are.

What’s the same as before, when I relapsed on a weekly, sometimes daily basis, is the lingering feelings of regret. The lazyness the next day, couldn’t get out of bed until 11am. The barrier in my head when I thought about doing something productive in the morning.

What changed, and this is important because it shows I still made progress and am making progress: it took me ten minutes to gather myself and find the strength to indeed get up, do some chores I set myself the day before and make some tea. Now, I’m feeling way better.

This is something I am really happy about. That I’ve learned that it is not about the ■■■■, it is not about relapsing, even if it is an accident that will have some effects to some extent on me. It’s about everything else. About doing my chores, getting up, looking forward to meeting a friend, looking forward to a family gathering later that day, listening to music, letting my thoughts come and go…when you really concentrate on all those things, then a simple relapse after 9 days becomes a tiny setback.

Like a small tree. When you peel of some bark, it’ll look like the whole tree is hurt, imperfect, not as it should be. But let it grow some years, let it bear fruit and sprout leaves, then the small wound that was dealt before became a tiny scratch at the bottom.

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Edit: it is related to your 2 post.

Wow man, just reading this older posts(i’m new here)

First of all, the history of how this begin is very similar to mine.
But these thoughts are just what i’m passing now, for really it seems like all the things melted in my mind.
Because since i found out that PMO was f** myself (many years ago) i had a lot of thoughts like: powers and all, and being an amazing person etc.
Somehow this helped me, in soo many ways, I GO OUT, meet people and stuff like that, i always be grateful. But its not enought to get me out of PMO. I always come back and maybe worse. So i found out that many of this things gave me what PMO already gives. So i realise that i had a huge claim to understand life. Since that i fell myself too small, i see people fighting and think about how stupid they are trying to be someone important.

No, i’m not pretending be a guru or something like that.

Life is really big. Not in the way they sell to us but really can be a great adventure.
So for now i don’t want nothing and even thought this was a depression symptom. Maybe it is, i don’t care.
Since maybe 3 days ago, P just feels disgusting to me. But i don’t thinking i got my victory.
For now i just want to quit that shit. Don’t want the damn world.
Seems like when i got the victory, when a beat myself, its just my work. So much time in the battle maybe produced this. Whatever…

And for all others, its just my thoughts. I’m really proud of others types of thinking! Thanks and peace.

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Thanks for your thoughts! I wish you all the best for the coming days and weeks on your journey :slight_smile:

You say you don’t want nothing, and that reminded me of a realization I had at some point. It’s similar. ■■■■ tells us what we should want. The firat step for me was that Pmo can’t give me what I want, but the second was to notice that I still wanted what Pmo promised me, just now I expected it in real life. That’s why a time of rewiring is so important in my opinion. It’s a transition to clear the mind and find out what you want, how you operate, how you see the world.
At least for me that’s it.
Again thanks for your thoughts. Peace and strength!

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Thoughts on day 2

Today I started a new journal, handwritten. I usually do have a notebook with me that works as both a diary and writing down thoughts and ideas for stories, music, as well as an organizer.

This new one I promised myself to be different. I normally didn’t like “writing down what happened during the day”, but actually that’s exactly what I want to do now. It will help me stay grounded, think about the day in the evening and actually reliving nice memories I made, even if they seem small and insignificant.
Too much time during my days was waste by reliving old memories, going through sad experiences again and again as to somehow find some sense or meaning in them. How would I ever find happiness again if I don’t look for it? I concentrate on negative things only and expect to find some solution as to how to make them disappear, or loose their impact on my life, but that won’t happen. I have to make new memories, give present things and experiences meaning and weight. Look forward instead of backwards.

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Yes , this is perfect , I was looking answers for the same question. I used to feel sad when remembering old memories and just nothing .feeling sad and wasting time instead of making new memories and making them epic.

I really like your thought process, it has resonated with many of us in the forum’s.
Keep going brother :fire:

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Thoughts on Day 4

@tuku Thanks for your words and taking the time to read my posts :slight_smile:
I’m glad my thoughts helped you, writing them down and getting feedback sure did help me!

Today was good so far. Boredom is my greatest enemy these days, making room for the habitual peek while on the PC. Taking the time to write into my daily journal at the end of the day helped a lot so far. Even if it will take more time, I can already feel that it helps me shift my perception to positive things in my life, to things that matter now.

Yesterday I had a nice talk with a colleague during work about what kind of people we surround ourselves with. I noticed that while I talk about my addiction with some of my friends (and even strangers that I feel comfortable around telling from time to time), and about the problems I see in consuming ■■■■ in general, even if it’s not a full blown addiction, there are only a few who feel the same. It’s really rare that I talk to someone about how I see a problem in objectifying other people, and they go like “yeah, exactly man”. At best, it’s a “oh, i didn’t think about it that way, hmm”.

During the talk with my colleague we came to the conclusion that it is really important to have likeminded people to hang out with. Sure, you also need to accept that there are people disagreeing with you, and often it is vital for us to have someone opposing us and making us reflect on our thoughts. But then you also need someone where you feel like you can be yourself, state your thoughts without concerns, and to some extent share these thoughts.
And the last months I started surrounding myself with people like this more and more.

There’s a friend I met a lot the last year, we used to go out two or three times a week, stroll through the bars and try to hook each other up with girls, you know - the cliché bros hanging out wingmaning stereotype thing. And during that year it felt good, I needed a close friend, I was in a spot where I thought pursuing women this way was what I wanted and needed (and maybe it was that time, I don’t know. I wasn’t really confident or happy). And so that’s the kind of chemistry that went on between us. Meeting, drinking some beer, sometimes smoke some weed, talk about life, football, and the women that we did or didn’t bring home last night. I never took myself too seriously I guess, but most of all I cherished our friendship.
But the last weeks I feel a growing distance between us. I guess especially now that I move in with my SO he feels it, and everytime we hang and he makes some commentary about a woman or “women in general”, I feel uncomfortable.We hang out now, there are a lot of situations where he says something and I just don’t know how to react because it comes from such a different place, you know. I just sit there and my mind goes like “eeh, what?” Especially because I know that a few months ago I would’ve agreed with him, just for the sake of being part of that friendship. I didn’t agree with him, but hell what did it matter.

But it did. It influenced me, because everytime I tried to get clean and not think about sex, relationships etc this way, he showed me the other side without the harming consequences. So when I was weak, I was more likely to think “Oh hell it’s not that bad, there are people out there thinking like that and they can’t all be wrong”.
Even though there is no right or wrong, just what’s right or wrong for me, and this mindset is nothing I wanna share.
Nowadays, I can go out, meet people like that and maintain my stance, because I’m more secure I think. But if I think about it, when I was not that confident and went out having some drinks, I met so many people and groups of people that operated like that. Where I had the choice between being alienated or go
along with it.

So, I guess I also wanna say: don’t worry if you feel that way when you start rewiring. It can be scary to see how many people are into ■■■■, into the things ■■■■ does, into the (IMO) harming mindset it nourishes, but then again, it’s them, not you. This journey is about you and your decisions only, and realizing that others might have different mindsets that you don’t agree with might be part of the process.

Yeah, long rantpost I guess. Tl;dr: I noticed how important it is to stick to my beliefs and hang out with people that share or at least respect that belief system.

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Very true, birds of the same feather flock together. This is why we might have had friends in the past that you’d probably not want to be friends with them now. People change, or we might change. Whatever it is we must look at ourselves and see if you changed for the better or worse. Looks to me like you’re on the better side my friend :slight_smile: Goodluck with your journey.

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Thoughts on Day 0

Just a quick update. Not doing so well. Chaser effect got me this time, and I relapsed 3 times after my 60 days. So gonna keep it short here and focus on getting back on track

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Thoughts on Day 1

Sometimes, I feel like I’m two different persons.
One is deep into the mindset that porn and every negative experience I had in life formed. The other one is trying to break free of it, trying to live and love by its own standards.

For example, my girlfriend was meeting a friend some days ago, and what I felt was jealousy, distrust (not even to her but to him, because I never met him and there was something going on between them like a year ago), anger, frustration, also that I’m not good enough for her…needless to say I needed to talk about these emotions, and needless to say that I was doing that in quite the emotional fashion…

Two days later and I regret every single thing I said and I felt. Why would I even think like that? It’s like my head is going back to porn mode, and in a world shaped by porn there is no meeting between a girl and a guy without them having sex. Even worse, it’s not her choice. In porn, what the guy wants counts, and she’s eventually going along, enjoying it. But in real life, even if this guy had feelings for my gf, if she refuses, what’s the deal? I also do have female friends where I suspect that at some point they might have been interested. Hell, sometimes you can’t draw the line at exactly one point. Feelings don’t work like the black and white world that porn gives us.

And sometimes it is really difficult to handle that. The moment where I realize that I am operating on different settings and after different rules than the real world. It’s like getting a glimpse out of the matrix, finding that one thing in your own world that doesn’t make sense and shows you you are wrong fundamentally. That’s where I get confused and frustrated and anxiety hits, and that’s where I relapsed yesterday.

It is really difficult not to hate that version of myself. Not to despise everything it says or thinks. And to accept that it is a part of me. A part that I want to change and that hopefully will change in the future, but when I am triggered and feel like that it is so hard to calm down and let those feelings go. Maybe I’ll pick up meditation again, as a means to fight myself when I’m not acting as I want to.

Good thing is that I can talk to my partner. I never told her when I’m feeling bad, only after when I did relapse, and now asked her if I could write her a few lines when I’m feeling an urge, just to talk to someone I know (apart from you guys, but you catch my drift). I told her that it was difficult for me to do so since I don’t want her to see me that way, and she just replied “Are you stupid, I dont wanna just see you in your best moments that’s not how this relationship thing works out”. Almost had to cry…

So yeah, that’s something positive! I just feel good knowing that she doesn’t only support me trying to get free, but also that she supports the struggle itself. We are moving in together in two weeks, that’ll change circumstances to the better as well.
Also my job is going pretty good, I’m still getting more and more responsibilities with the eventual chance of moving up higher, I’m working on a concept to earn some money with my music starting somewhere next year, and connections with friends are pretty solid so far. What a change compared to a few months and years ago! Just need some time to myself now to solidify my character, who I want to be.
Cheers

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It’s normal to be jealous but forsure there’s another type of jealousy caused by ■■■■ if that’s what you mean. It’s more a physical focused type of jealousy, maybe even a possessive type of jealousy. How do I know? Because I was one of those people myself when I was deep into ■■■■. If this is a part of you you’re not wrong to hate it. I know how you feel I’ve also hated myself for it but no matter what I just couldn’t help myself. Later down the road I came to find out ■■■■ was the cause of this awful trait. Only it was too late, the relationship was ended by then. But you sound a lot more understanding then I was. So that’s good.

Also your gf sounds like she really supports and loves you. She sounds like a keeper man. :slightly_smiling_face: Good for you. Keep going bro you got my support :fist:

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Thanks for your words. She is a keeper for sure!

I don’t like to hate myself, but you are right in general. Right now, I’m mostly trying to understand when I have these illogical feelings caused by porn and deal with them. It’s difficult, but I guess its always not the worse thing to learn to control your emotions to some extent

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Thoughts on day 2

Doing better. I keep myself busy when I’m in my old flat, which is where is relapsed the last few times. If there’s idle time I take a walk, go to the restaurant I work in or meet with friends and hang out. I hope that this will allow me to reach higher streaks again and ban porn from my mindset.

There’s another friend who got quite close lately and last time we met I almost told him about my addiction and the whole Pornkillslove movement/idea. I plan to do so next time we meet. We had a few good talks and he told me yesterday that I really made him think about a few things which he appreciated. He did the same to me, and it’s nice to hear.

I have to get another week going, after that I’m living in a healthier environment which will make staying away from toxic thoughts easier. Right now I can’t really work on my music, for example, and it’s difficult to read or meditate except when I go to a café. It’ll be nice to have a home again.

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Thoughts on Day 9

Happy new year everyone. Another year fighting this habit passed, and it’s time to do a little update on my progress.

At the end of last year, coming from two streaks over a month, I fell again to a relapse cycle some of you refer to as the chaser effect. I was going through some stress at work and in my private life due to the moving in with my gf and leaving behind my old apartment. A place that I can really call home is really important to me and if I think about it, I didn’t have that for the most part of my life, especially the last six to seven years. Even after moving to the new flat I needed some time, but after a month I now start to adjust and find myself sitting down in peace more often. It’s a great feeling.

I had another talk with my girlfriend and it came up that she occasionally watches ■■■■. That hit me like a truck. The unease with that knowledge was intense for a bit, but it got me thinking as well. She is fine with it, it never developed into an unhealthy habit like it did for me. And that’s what I got out of this situation: of course it helps to know that there are others that suffer from the same problem, it helps to be felt understood by you guys, and it is also an undeniable fact that ■■■■ itself holds a lot of toxic implications and is a problem way too often overlooked in our society - but in the end, the problem is me. It’s way too easy to start victimising myself. “How could I get so unlucky to discover ■■■■ at a time where I was in a bad place and get addicted. I wish somebody would have told me and helped me.”
A nice thought, sure, and worth fighting for to make the discussion public, but it doesn’t help in getting clean, at least not me. That’s the prevention part, what comes during and after my own fight, to help others. But right now, I have to fix what makes me addicted, not the addiction itself.

So, what keeps me addicted? What is it that ■■■■ gives me that makes me come back time after time, even though I am in a healthy relationship, with a decent job and hobbies that I’m good at and that are fun?
It’s my self esteem.
The kind of ■■■■ I was consuming was always the kind that got the viewer involved. Where a woman would talk to me directly, make me feel like this could happen to me. As a teenager I was always too shy to actually get involved with a girl, because I felt like nobody would be able to like me. Got bullied in school, didn’t have many friends, always felt like the weird kid that nobody wanted to really talk to.
And I was. I was a weird kid, and kids are cruel. But that changed. I have friends now, I think I am accepted and so on…but I think deep down I still feel unworthy of unconditional love. I behave like people always could betray me, could manipulate me and just be friends with me because I do stuff. Like, when I was a weird Kid, nobody liked me. Now I feel more secure because I am good at some stuff, but I fear that people like me just because of that, not because of who I really am.
Not a rational thought. Pure emotion and flashbacks to those times.
So, ■■■■ never betrayed me without me knowing (while at the same time I knew all I saw was just a fantasy, so it was like a controlled betrayal of sorts). It didn’t stab me in the back. But at the same time it stabbed me into my heart every single time I turned off the PC or phone and was lying in my bed in the dark, alone, left, broken.

I think only time and love can heal these wounds. I can’t just tell myself that nobody will betray me. So might. But at least I can keep pushing myself willingly into the right direction and able myself to have positive experiences, to not just tell myself that I’ll be good, but to really know it.

■■■■, once I was consuming it to help me with my social insecurity, also kept the cycle going. I spent more time on ■■■■ and less on doing other things like reading, writing, being creative (as in creating stuff) in general. And that gave me even less reason to like myself, because we are the things that we do, our actions make us, and I wasn’t who I wanted to be or who I thought I’d be. I was acting against my own standards and values, and that made me a liar before my own eyes. Which made me feel even worse. If somebody didn’t like me i felt bad, if I assumed he didn’t like me, same, and if I assumed he could like me i knew he liked a version of myself that I on the other hand hated. While at the same time I was too deep into the whole cycle to change anything.

That’s why having other people like you guys and some of my friends, my girlfriend the most apparently, helped me so much. It was what made it possible to start climbing out. To see that there is a reason to climb out. Step by step.

Knowing all this helps to keep pursuing my plans and dreams, because I know that once I get some stuff done that I can see and hear, that gives me feedback and shows me that I do have an impact on the world around me, even if it is just drawing something for a wall in my flat, or cooking for my gf, or meeting with friends and listening to their stories -once I got started on that and the first feedback comes in, I can build on the self esteem that I get through that. I will start to like myself again. To respect myself. And to heal.

Thanks for sticking with me guys. Love and peace to all of you :slight_smile:

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Thoughts on Day 7

A week again, after relapsing after 22 days.
What made me relapse? The usual, I guess. Being stressed and feeling unsatisfied with my life and my accomplishments that day. And that disconnected me from everything I deem important in my life.

Good news is that I haven’t relapsed since. Bad news is that I was quite close a few times and mere coincidences helped me getting back on track.

Good news is also that, even if I don’t feel like it, I do some good work at my job and work on my music more often. I even started writing dailies again and I set up a plan for two days that I even followed through. The third, today, I didn’t. But it’s a start. If I go on with this for maybe two more weeks, and be able to get stuff done, I will a) connect with my life in a more meaningful way and b) feel better about myself, thus building on that self esteem that I was talking about in my last entry. It’ll be snowballing, but this time in the right direction!

Today was also the first time where I talked to my girlfriend about specifics of how I actually feel, and was quite honest both with her and myself. Telling her that sometimes I actually want to relapse for example. Of course I know I shouldn’t and the times I give in get rarer every month and year, but still, in that moment the feeling is there.
And I hate that. I hate myself for having this feeling, for knowing better and still somehow trying to find a loophole in my own arguments and lifestyle that allows me to just peek, maybe watch a bit, maybe a bit more etc etc.
But beating myself down like that will just feed the very problem.

Well, at some point I can ask myself how to fix that, right now I guess the best way is to work proactively against it. Make good memories instead of bad ones, increase the productive days and accept the sloppy ones when they occur.
In the end, I’m always telling myself I’m the guy with the addiction who sometimes has a good day or two (especially since I tend to black white think things like a good day. It has to be the best…). But honestly, I’m the guy who only relapsed like two to three times a month over the last 3 years. That’s so many more good days than bad ones, I have to be proud of that and remind myself how far I already got, and that it’s just a few more steps until I am where I want to be!

Cheers to all of you who still follow, you all have your part in this journey!

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You should be and you are way far ahead of those who aren’t even trying, we should never forget that.
You have such a nice and calm tone in your writings . I wish you all the very best for your journey :+1:

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Thoughts on Day 21

Three weeks in and hitting the point where I question the reason for doing this from time to time.

I am quite productive regarding my music, and I found time to go for a walk a few days ago. My job is going good as well.
But the last few days there was a lot of peeking, a lot of falling back into old thought patterns. It’s like I’m hitting that wall with the great letters “it just bothers me, so why not just give a fuck”.
I’m also confused a lot, couldn’t sleep some nights, and I also find myself in front of the PC just gaming for hours without thinking about it. The need to be satisfied is back.

The root to my confusion is mostly that I don’t feel like I know where I stand right now. What is good for me and what is not? Where do I want to lock my moral compass?
I thought that the life I have now, living in a big flat with my gf, having a job, working at home on different projects, would be the life I wanted all along. What kept me from being the me that I wanted to be. And now that I am still feeling the same as before, I am not so sure anymore.
A lot of times, when I talk to other people or myself when I’m writing in my diary, I find myself talking about myself in a very general way. Somehow I need to define myself in front of others and myself, and I think it’s because I’m thinking out loud in those moments about something I haven’t made up my mind before.

Let’s face it, I just don’t know a lot of things about me now or where I’m heading. And that means I can’t control them. I never will. So I have to find a way to live that allows change, that allows impact, that allows influence.
And I have to take my time to get to know myself and be honest with myself. I always say that and still here I am…maybe I’m afraid of what I would find? I don’t know.

I guess I’m also overwhelmed. I feel like I took a lot of responsibilities onto my shoulders, being part of a shared household, the position as head of personnel, that I feel like I NEED to do a lot, but never WANT to do those things. Like, I know these are the right things to do so I should do them, but it’s just a chore, it’s just a point on the list…

I feel like this entry was all over the place, but hey, I needed to write it down somehow.
Maybe I need to go easy on myself and not only work on those things, but also make up my mind about what it is I want to accomplish for myself.

As always, thanks for reading. See you in a few

Thoughts on Day 1

Relapsed yesterday.
Not much to say about it. Might have been inevitable, might have been able to dodge that one…it is as it is.
Be that as it may, I don’t really feel to bad about it right now. Normally I would feel ashamed, I would not stop beating myself down for once again making a mistake that I pledged to never do again, but you know what? I won’t give that one slip that much credit and power over my life.
I am relapsing like once a month currently, and it never pushes me down too far. I am doing good on so many levels, and even on the day I relapsed I spent a great day with my girlfriend, woke up today and got to work after preparing breakfast for the two of us. Today at work (I’m a waiter), a guest told me it is a pleasure to watch me work since it seems to be so much fun to me. It felt really great to hear that.

That’s a great thing, not only realizing that I am relapsing less often, but also that it has less of an impact. It is still important to me to get clean, to be less influenced by what I see and feel when consuming, but also I have to remind myself not to exaggerate things.
When I was still deeply addicted, relapsing and telling myself “it was just a wank and ten minutes wasted” was so dangerous, as many of you know.
Now I actually successfully work on exactly that: to make it just one wank and ten minutes wasted, and go on with my life, pursuing my goals, relaxing a little if there’s the right time…

I could tell you just one negative thing right now. I relapsed.
I can tell you so many positive things. Work is great. The sun is out today, finally. I had a great day with my gf yesterday. I am half through with the music for another Audioplay that’s gonna be released in march, so right on schedule. I had some new ideas on my flat. I cleaned my flat yesterday morning. I finished watching a show I really liked that made me emotional a few times, which rarely happened when I was heavily addicted. I bought new pants that I was having an eye on for a year now. I rediscovered a musician i once liked a lot. He’s still amazing. I had a good time with friends out, and am joining a pubquiz next Monday, a birthday party tonight…

Yeah. You get the idea.
Also super thankful to my gf. We had a talk yesterday and another one this morning where I told her how it’s going lately, and she was super productive about it, opened up herself and told me that since she told me she occasionally watches porn every now and then, she didn’t watch anything and probably won’t anymore since it’s not that important to her and she wants to be supportive in this.

So, I not only hope but am sure that the next streak will be even longer than the previous. Thanks for your support! Cheers

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