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There is a big difference between 30 , 30,30 days. And a direct 90 days… Please try to understand the situation.
A normal person can do easily 30 days. But he can’t do easily 90 days no pmo.
And I love samuel brother because HE REALISED HIS MISTAKE IT MEANS HE WILL NEVER WATCH PORN IN HIS LIFE.
I hate Thomas fuck man, who is wasting his life. He will cry…i hate this type of person. I want to kill him

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After 90 days, Samuel is closer to leaving PMO behind. But Thomas has built a new habit of relapsing once a month, which will be difficult to overcome.

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Yes brother.i support you. @Forerunner

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He has left ■■■■. I clearly mentioned this in the question .
What Thomas does is only MO

That’s the main issue.
Thomas is consistent and consistency has its own rewards

But @_TIGER, I respect your opinion. :+1:

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There is no difference between watching porn and mastrubate vs mastrubate. You are wasting your semen you will cry in future. I know some persons who are not watching porn but they are not getting success whyy??? Because they are mastrubating!!!
Brother he stopped watching porn, but he is finding some vulgar things, Instagram model, any sexual content which can help in mastrubate. Or otherwise he will mastrubate normally

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He is still damaging himself once a month and receiving the negative effects of masturbation.

And in reality, people like Samuel don’t really exist. Once a month easily becomes once every 20 days or once every 2 weeks. If someone crosses the line once, it is easier to do it again and again. It’s difficult to limit bad behaviours, it’s much better to eliminate them entirely.

I wonder what the statistics are of those who are able to completely stop watching pornography, but continue to masturbate. I could be wrong, but I think for most people, they would go back to full-blown PMO eventually.

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Yes brother @Forerunner.i hate this type of person :rage::rage:.

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I respect your opinion
Thanks

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I voted for Samuel, but i think the scenario is very unlikely. If they are both equally addicted, the person who takes it more seriously from the beginning, will succeed more quickly. I find it unlikely that one person would quit once a month voluntarily, while the other, who is equally addicted, would be able to quit for 90 days first try.
But this fictional scenario isn’t very important, all that is important, is that starting earlier will always yield better results when quitting a pmo addiction. Continuing your addiction for longer will only make it more difficult to stop. You won’t magically get the power to go 90 days straight first try.

It’s interesting to think about these things though, so thanks for the poll. Let’s see the results and the discussion around them.

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@Tagore you are right brother…

@anon98741803 Real success is when we don’t turn back…
30 days or 100 …days

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It’s a thought experiment with many answers.
Who is more successful at nofap?
Technically Thomas as he’s fapped less.

But I voted Samuel.
I overlooked the details and interpreted it like this;
Samuel was being honest, his mind was elsewhere, after realising his errors, he had a profound experience and became a new person.

Where as, Thomas’ obsession with NoFap stopped him pursuing his life, and nothing changed. He felt guilt and shame he couldn’t get past 30 days. If he couldn’t be successful at Nofap, how could he be successful at other things in life? (which is again, ideology holding him back)

It’s a bit like the story of The Prodigal son and his brother.

There are more ways to look at it;

Samuel fapped everyday for 90 days with all sorts of ■■■■, but after his conversion of heart he got 90 days clean, but relapsed and found it difficult to start again.

But Thomas pursued life consistently, he had morals, values and principles, he worked hard and was a positive and truthful person. He relapsed every 30 days via Youtube on his phone, and always stayed accountable about it.
Both of them worked with their situation as best they could, and got higher streaks over time.

But, I think your real question is.
Can I MO every 30 days?
Yes, of course you can,
You are free to choose.
We are dealing with an addiction, and you should find your journey that will help you to break free, not pin you down or make it harder than it already is.

There are many ways to deal with this.
But only you can believe in it.
If I said, “trust and truly believe in God, make him No. 1” - would you?

Personally, I want to be free of ■■■■, to know it’s not an option, not something I’d choose and never something desirable. I’ve been in that place before, I want to be back there, but I struggle.
Things companions have said months ago are coming to fruition now - namely, consistent reminders of the reasons why.

My problem is I don’t remind myself, I’m unsure, I don’t believe in some things, and see them as false, or false to me, I have too many ideas, and end up with no idea at all… :joy::man_facepalming:t2::man_facepalming:t2::man_facepalming:t2::man_facepalming:t2:
But your question has helped me somewhat :pray:

I don’t want to mo, as I want my body to use that protein, and to be physically and mentally healthier.
I don’t want p as an option in my life for many many reasons, just listing it tires me.
I want a sharper, clearer mind, and to build on my relationship with God first and foremost, nothing else matters as much :pray:

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So here’s the thing,‘let’s not pre-assume recovery based on streak’
I’ve voted for thomas,because i felt that his efforts were consistent for the entire given timeline…Although he quit once a month,but that didn’t involve pornography…So,on a scientific note m/o is natural, it’s not a artificial process unless stimulated by pixels as porn…And i don’t think it can cause much deleterious effect ,compared to fapping for straight 90 days as samuel did!!!

Also samuel role is pretty interesting,it almost reminds us of our ourselves…We at some point ,chase that 90 days streak as a cure…But i don’t think there’s anyone who can climb the big mountain just like that…We all have failed at some point ,through relapses and setbacks…we all know that…

But determining success here could go both ways,if u look at thomas he was consistent with less setbacks,like the turtle ’ slow and steady wins the race’…
Even samuel is succesful ,if we look at a target for 90 days,but it was not the case!!!And we cannot blindly believe that recovery is possible after 90 days,it also depends upon person’s addiction core. Plus some like samuel only set their mind for 90 days,and consider it as a success and will eventually get back on old ways…

But on a given hypothesis,i guess thomas is more successful and will be in future if he was able to overcome slowly!!!Samuel could also be successful,if he can maintain the same streak rather thinking ‘90 as a cure’

'‘Success is about making progress,especially on that given timeline ,thomas had more success rate but he also had setbacks but not necessarily kept doing it for 90 days’

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Samuel and Thomas
It doesn’t depend on your method.
It depends on your 1)attitude 2)determination

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Well, that’s not the question here ,and you cannot assume someone’s effort based on your opinion he could be well determined enough to get rid of it…If that’s the case ,what if samuel binges after 90days thinking that challenge is too boring…Nofap is a lifestyle ,not an 90days based challenge…Many are there articles,which explains benefits of nofap on 90 days…But what if he was an chronic addict?How do alcoholics get rid of their addiction?Usually,they will be suggested to reduce the quantity slowly, that’s what usually happens in therapy…A chronic addict cannot refrain himself from alcohol ,for straight 90 days…He will have withdrawal…And i guess it pretty well goes for all kind of addiction!!

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Absolutely, I agree ■■■■ is a more powerful drug than many. Just gave my opinion considering myself as Samuel & Thomas :blush:
I joined here on May, I am a newbie may be my attitude & belief change after some experience.
I did the same as Thomas did from January. ie)
For 1 month I will refrain from this & after that one relapse, but now on may the relapses increased. I was strong in my decision but failed. That’s why I selected Samuel
Nothing else
Thank you☺

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Dude
I believe as MO is not as compulsive as PMO. ■■■■ induces more craving.
In case of Thomas, he abstains from ■■■■ , so at relapse on day 30, his memory of ■■■■ images, videos already weakened. He can vaguely remember the acts. So now, the MO is not that compulsive and the chaser effect is weak.

I think you would have relapsed to ■■■■. So the weak memory of ■■■■ got strengthened the same way you retain a new piece of information after revision . So the chaser effect became stronger leading to multiple relapses at less streak

I may be wrong. I don’t know

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Sorry :joy: I didn’t notice that
Yes for me its PMO
But for Thomas its MO
The memories of the images are really strong indeed

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I am closing the poll. I cannot wait more. I’m pretty excited to see the statistics. So excited that I can’t focus on anything else .

Thanks all for your contribution to the poll. The follow up discussions have given me a better insight.

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POLL RESULTS

Samuel Wins with 14 votes

Thomas gets 8 votes

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Whatever the pole result is I believe Thomas will be more successful since he did only MO. Even if you do MO everyday it is nothing compared to watching porn. Porn is the real villian. It is the poison. Human beings used to masturbate from the the time they came into existence. Everyone used to masturbate. Our father. Grandfather. Porn is the only difference between them and us.

So Thomas will be the winner finally.

(according to my opinion)

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