It's been 167 days and I haven't seen any signs of recovery yet

Hey guys. I’m a 23 years old male who started jerking off at 15. I’ve been addicted to masturbation for 7 years. ■■■■ has ruined me and I lost my lust back in 2018. It felt like absolutely nothing whenever I masturbated or ejaculated. It would literally feel like nothing. But I still continued masturbating.

I lost interest in irl women so finally at the age of 22, I started NO Fap No ■■■■ hard mode. Everyone told me that I’ll start seeing benefits from the first month and in 90 days, I’ll be recovered. But it’s been 167 days and there has been no recovery. My lust is still not back and I feel no attraction to anything whatsoever.

Am I screwed forever? What should I do? I don’t get any urges but I can easily pop a boner whenever I want to. The situation is so confusing and sad for me. Any help or advice would be appreciated, thank you.

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@Forerunner and @The_integrous_one could may help you. They know everything about it.

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Bruh not getting urges is good in a way, your energy would remain conserved and as you said you can pop a boner anytime so no relation will be hampered, I don’t see any issue here, just focus on yourself, you’re doing great.

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Can you explain a bit more when you say lust you mean you don’t want to have sex with woman?And how are you getting these boners?

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I can pop a boner without feeling any lust or urges. I can think of an attractive woman or having sex, and that’ll pop a boner, but I don’t get the urge to do that, basically lust. Like asexual people who aren’t attracted to anyone but can still get boners. I know I’m not asexual because you don’t turn asexual all of a sudden, that’s why this is so weird. I want to be with women, but I’m not sexually attracted to them for some reason since 2018.

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Yeah dude im no doctor but can you answer these:
-You reckon you got low testosterone (No muscle,shit sleep,no drive or determination)
-Hate or resent against women?
-You get a boner from thinking bout women but your not sexually attracted to them ???

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At first, even I thought that it was low testosterone so I got it checked out. Turns out, it was 706 ng/dL, which is really high. And I have a decent amount of muscle mass, been working out for over 2 years.

I have no hate or resent against women, they make my day just by existing haha.

Yeah, that’s literally the case. I can see why a woman is attractive, but she’s not attractive to me. I don’t lust for them :confused:

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Man i wish i could help fully but not much experience in this

  • Im guessing you could be flat lining
  • Maybe your just looking for the right one?
  • Have you ever had sex? Are you scared or anxious?
  • What do you think the problem is honestly

Did you find it quite easy to give up pmo you said youve done 167days ive been trying for about 6 years and only got 54 days? If so thats impressive to me

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@RenegadeAu could be right. You might be going through what they call a ‘Flatline’.
And whoever told you magic happens at day 90 was wrong. Human bodies aren’t machines. Change is always gradual. Some people take more time to heal than others. I’ve read anecdotes claiming Flatlines lasting as long as 8 months.

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First of all, well done on getting past 5 months of recovery. Keep going strong brother, there’s nothing for you in returning to that former life of darkness.

It’s difficult to advise you without a clearer understanding of what your issue is - that’s why our brother @RenegadeAu has been asking more questions to get more details about what you’re experiencing.

Your erectile health sounds good. What are your other activities like? Do you have a general good mood - are your dopamine receptors working properly so you can enjoy regular activities like eating and listening to music and exercise and connection with other people etc?

If you’re experiencing low dopamine too, I would say that you’re going through an extended flatline.

90 days is not a firm guideline for recovery by any means. It comes from the idea that it takes 21 days to form a habit and 90 days to make that habit a consistent part of your lifestyle. It means that it should be easier for you to carry on being successful in your recovery after that stage.

Everyone’s body is different. Recovering our health takes time and the body isn’t looking at our day counter and saying “Oh, he’s nearly at 90 days, time to start healing.”

It also depends on the level of addiction we were dealing with in the past. The frequency of PMO sessions, the length, whether we were edging or not, whether we watched multiple videos at the same time or not, the categories and types of pornography we were looking at and how extreme, the strength of the grip we had while masturbating, the age we started doing PMO, whether we have engaged in sexual relations or not, all of these factors and more play a role in how soon our bodies recover from the damage of PMO.

Some people will recover within 50 days from a great deal of the physical and mental damage they did while engaging in PMO. On average, most people find that they recover within 3 to 4 months, which is why the 90 days gets tied into the idea of physical recovery too. But others still find that it takes them much longer to regain their health, 6 months, 1 year, 2 years at the extreme. @CoffeeMan said it best, some flatlines can go beyond 6 months, which could explain what you’re going through.

In my own experience, the farthest I’ve ever gone without PMO was 252 days. During that time, i had recovered quite a lot, but I was not completely healed. In fact, I relapsed during a post-90 day flatline, which I wasn’t even aware was possible at the time. I was ignorant and believed the usual ideas that after 90 days I should be done healing, so whatever is left I must be stuck with. I assumed I was seriously depressed and just thought that if I’m going to be miserable without PMO, I may as well be doing PMO anyway. I essentially forced my way back into PMO, I wasn’t even having strong urges at the time. All terrible ideas, but we learn and grow.

Like @The_integrous_one said, the loss of lust doesn’t have to be a bad thing. When I was on that extended streak, my lust disappeared too, and I found the journey much easier to continue. But I still had attraction for women, and my erectile health was good. In my experience I found that I was more interested in forming a genuine intimate connection with women instead of a lustful one. I personally don’t believe that we have to be fired up with lust all of the time, for all I know that was a myth started to sell Playboy magazines back in the day.

You’re a young man in good physical health, you work out regularly, your penis is working properly, you have great testosterone levels and importantly, you are beyond engaging in destructive PMO behaviours. You are fine, and the longer you abstain and remain focused on self-improvement, your body will continue to recover with time. Don’t be discouraged or sad about where you are. Be glad that the damage of years of addiction doesn’t require as long to heal as it did to cause. Be patient and enjoy the process, you are doing wonderfully. Keep going brother.

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“In my experience I found that I was more interested in forming a genuine intimate connection with women instead of a lustful one” THIS IS IT! I’m not attracted to women in lustful way but I want to have a connection, have a genuine bond. I used to abstain talking to women because of my low self esteem and anxiety, ever since I started noPMO, even though my lust isn’t back, I am interested in women again. I can keep eye contact and conversation. 3 months ago, I asked a girl out for the first time in my life, and got rejected. But if I think about it, I wouldn’t have bothered to do that before starting noPMO. Even though I got rejected, I had the balls to face the worst case scenario.

Even if my lust isn’t back, other aspects of my life have definitely improved. But one more thing, noPMO has increased random boners and nightfalls by A LOT. I wouldn’t even be thinking of anything sexual and I’ll get an erection at random moments; jogging, eating, even while talking to my homies. My close friends know about my streak and keep telling me that semen retention etc can cause issues, and my penis will become “too sensitive” to the point that I won’t be able to last long in bed. Do you think that any of this is true?

Also since I didn’t provide much info at first:-

-I started jerking off at the age of 15

-I lost my attraction and lust at the age of 18

-I used to spend over 4-5 hours each day just watching ■■■■ and jerking off between 2019 and 2022 (age 19-22) despite not feeling anything during masturbation/ejaculation. Even if I didn’t masturbate, I’d still watch ■■■■ just for the sake of it, like an addiction.

-I started noPMO on 1st November 2022.

-I entered depression in 2018 (age 18) and isolated myself from others for 2 years

-I’m a virgin, never had any interest or motivation to be in a relationship. Just wanted to stay in my comfort zone in front of a screen.

-For the first time in my life, a woman called me “hot” at the workplace 1 month after starting noPMO. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

-I would feel lust feelings once a year, last time I felt lust was in March 2022, before that it was in June 2021. Just randomly. Haven’t felt it since starting noPMO tho

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Lasting long in bed is a mental game. End of story if you can control your emotions,thoughts and breathing you can last a while. When i had a girlfriend years ago i could last anywhere from 10-25 minutes with this. I bet half your friends cant even last 10 without being drunk or any other adherence. A reason you do semen retention is to increase sensitivity why wouldn’t you want better sex? Just have a iron mind to last longer, Sounds like your friends have never experienced your pain of addiction so just dont listen to them you are on your own journey whether the outcome is what you want or not

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