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[Nep_12]

@Awaken_one

This is what the soul is too

No, as far as I have known spirit is the spark(had discussed it long back with a Christian friend of mine and he described it like spirit, soul and body).

It is like electricity. Soul has the thoughts and emotion patterns (which can be negative as well as positive, thus giving you the idea of “bad spirits” or “bad ghosts”) of you, to which I have said as the subtle covering in the Hindu scriptures.

Atma has two coverings, as well as the inbuilt functions but they are not visible at all until the covering is removed.

The monks practice for it for their lifetime.

Now that I have looked a little for myself, they have debates about this too.
But I definitely remember my friend explicitly telling me the order of “spirit, soul and body”

https://christianpure.com/learn/soul-vs-spirit-a-biblical-perspective/

[Nep_12]

@Awaken_one

Secondly, about explicit mentions of dimensions without ascension planes. This one’s long so you can read this.
https://invedas.com/vedic-cosmology-the-64-dimensions-of-universe-in-existence/

as I have said before, 11 dimensions come from string theory which is said in your article too.

I personally don’t connect the modern scientific theories with Hinduism anymore. Many people do it, including spiritual Gurus and I’m personally against it.

For example when I said about “time dilation” which is mentioned in the Hindu texts, which happens inside our universe as well (1 day on the plane of Brahma is around 8.64 billion years on the plane where earth exists, which is an analogue of 86400 seconds on earth’s day) people connect it to scientific notion of time dilation which is explicitly false.

If we go by general theory of relativity, such humongous time dilation is near impossible to occur and can only happen near a blackhole where time just stops and matter would not stay the same. So if such time dilation occurs, material properties would not make sense and if material properties are to exist then the dilation wouldn’t happen.You can pick either one, not both of them simultaneously.

The way I see Hinduism is in its approach to this world, which is where Erwin Schrodinger succeeded to formulate his stuff about quantum mechanics. That does not explicitly mean Hindu scriptures have mentioned quantum mechanics but their philosophical notions are such that Schrodinger used them for his equations. He derived his notions from Vedanta and appreciated its philosophy a lot.

And they seem to work for now.

[The_Rising_One]

Me after reading the entire convo

[Awaken_one]

Well, lets discuss later @Nep_12 . Since It’s daytime. Umm, I feel like I will skip work if I talk more

@The_Rising_One

after reading the entire convo

Yeah, that’s what an otherworldly entity would say.

[Nep_12]

@Nep_12

That does not explicitly mean Hindu scriptures have mentioned quantum mechanics but their philosophical notions are such that Schrodinger used them for his equations. He derived his notions from Vedanta and appreciated its philosophy a lot.

if I have to phrase it better, the notions in Vedanta were “tools” which Schrodinger used. Does not mean Hindu scriptures have quantum mechanics but they provided something which helped in it.

@Awaken_one

Well, lets discuss later @Nep_12 . Since It’s daytime.

Sure.

[valiantwarriorsoldier]

This convo

[Sholtro_Tenjerrot]

@debellator

Religions that are not structurally sound also tend to indoctrinate principles like don’t question the your superiors whether it be elders or leaders or monks or whatever. They will imply such high sense of respect on leaders of the clan or sect etc.

Agree , in Hnduism , Mahabhart , the Pandavas had to fight against their own clan, family and elders , who were wrong and supporting the wrong .

And I think this don’t question elders is just used by elders and so called superior people (leaders ) when they don’t have anything to say .

@debellator

I am not sure about all other religions but actually Christians never actually say don’t question anything, rather encourage talking about it and if anything comes as doubts or questions to discuss it with others or with God

Lovely, but there will be some people in every religion including Christianity , who tend to be aggressive and act weirdly when some questions will arise, not every people in a religion can have same ideology (especially those who don’t know the essence and fundamental teachings of their religion ) . So it depends on the person not the religion, or else learning any religion won’t worth anything because of such people . And tbh a learned person of their religion won’t get triggered by logical questioning .

@debellator bhai!

So the religion followers who do this are not worth anything…

[Sholtro_Tenjerrot]

@debellator

is this the reason for suffering in Hinduism? Karma?

I will try to clarify this , that karma and free will both matters in hinduism. I am a Hindu and not trying to poke anyone , just saying it to clarify things for debellator brother , will try to give examples as well .

So some certain events in our life are meant to happen , few things aren’t in our hands , they are called Prarabdha Karma (past karmas ) , so if a person is born in a certain family , environment whether good or bad , loving or abusive , it’s because of their Prarabdha Karma , we can say it’s like fate , which we can’t change . So it’s always preferred to do good deeds , that is good karma.

And how can we do the good deeds/karma , by our own understanding and free will , we ourseleves use free will everyday ! And I don’t remember the name , for doing karma according to free will , choosing the path of right or wrong but there’s a term for it like past life krma is termed as Prarabdha Karma.

Karma is a cycle not an infinite loop .

for example , there are two partners let’s say ABC and XYZ , so ABC cheats on XYZ because of their own will , they had a choice to refrain from it but they cheated on XYZ , that doesn’t mean that XYZ cheated on ABC in past life , ABC created the bad karma because of their own will . Even if XYZ leaves and forgives ABC , karma won’t forgive and leave ABC , they will have to face it someday , in the form of cheating in relationship or finances , or some really major issues, but they will surely get it .

Above one was related to modern world example . Will try to give instances from Mahabharat and Ramayana . Ramayana took place before Mahabharat .

Shree Ram was incarnation of Lord Vishnu , and he incarnated as human. Shree Ram killed Baali from behind, during the duel of Baali and Sugreev (baali was on the wrong side and he did bad deeds) , killing baali wasn’t wrong but killing from behind was , according to the rules , because Baali couldn’t defend himself as he was unarmed and unaware of that arrow.

After Mahabharat , when Shree Krishna was under the tree a hunter, named Jara shot an arrow when Shree Krishna was unarmed, thinking that he was a beautiful deer , and Jara was reincarnation of Baali and Shree Krishna was another incarnation of Lord Vishnu . Shree krishna was aware of this happening and this was inevitable . To follow the nature rules and completely accept the curse of Gaandhaari , he left his human form so does this mortal world . There are many other stories regarding this like the curse and his heart .

So this concludes the concept of Karma , as it was started by Shree Ram(Lord Krishna) and ended by Jara (Sugreev), the karma was settled.

Regarding free will .
There was instance where Shree Krishna made Bhishma Piatamah realise his mistakes and gave up on his immortality (icha mrityu , death as per their will, Shree Krishna could kill him but he made him realised his mistakes ) , so on his own will (after realisation) Bhishma Pitamah accepted his defeat .

Karma is like the deeds(good or bad) that you do they will come back to you, if not now then some other time , but it will come back to you for sure .

Free will is like , when something bad happens and someone suffer , few people make the world suffer and few people make sure that others don’t suffer from the issues.

It’s like karma but it’s in our hand to choose whether we try to do bad or good karma.

So yeah , and I personally feel that bad times are there to test the faith in God and we value the good things and time more . Talking about this after I realised few things after my break-up . Sufferings are for our growth and making us realise few things . I got out of something then I am able to say it , if I would have still suffering from it , I may not have said it , but now I feel “Everything happens for a reason.”

I tried to tell this from my limited knowledge . Made the examples short to stick to the karma and free will topic . If I will get to know more things I will definitely tell you bhai , if you want .

[Sholtro_Tenjerrot]

@Awaken_one

Modern doesn’t mean wrong, and dimensions are mentioned in your religion, 11 specifically

True !

हिन्दू वेद-पुराणों में वर्णित 64 आयाम | Dimensions in Hinduism | Vedic Cosmology

11 are known rest aren’t.

[debellator]

who or what decides if the action is good or bad? Ends justify means? Or what? Like who determines if the action merits good karma or deserves bad karma? That was one of my main questions about it which I have not understood

[Sholtro_Tenjerrot]

Is it only me or do you guys also get delayed notifications? This happens frequently, I get some notifications of replies after many hours! Maybe because I miss some notifications or it’s a system glitch.

[mrxdul]

@Sholtro_Tenjerrot

Is it only me or do you guys also get delayed notifications?

yeah,

[Sholtro_Tenjerrot]

Someone’s own sense and gut feeling , when we do something wrong we feel guilty , atleast for fraction of seconds, few get strong gut feeling few get weak .

When we hurt someone intentionally(when someone didn’t do anything bad to us), due to greed or hatred (for no reason) , breaking certain rules , when we do something against the basic morals and humanity, adultery, fornication, hurting others , breaking trust , stealing , etc are bad karmas.

When we do something good for others , and their welfare, we improve ourselves to be better, we tend to be justiceful, fight against the wrong (many people ignore it even if they have the strength to stop it ) , being in boundaries and maintain dignity (maryaada) , fulfill our duties , etc are counted as good karma.

So anything against morals and humanity is bad karma , regarding morals I typed what morals I am referring to.

These are my thoughts, there must be principles and ways to differentiate between good and bad karma , in Hindu scriptures, will let you know if I find more accurate and precise . But hopefully the above paragraphs will give you the idea , insights about it bhai .

[Sholtro_Tenjerrot]

@Mahesh27_03

Even if she kills me and my family or she turns out to be the worst criminal this world has even seen or anything

Sorry but that’s too much , if someone tend to do something with your family and do something wrong with you repeatedly (if it’s cheating then no other chance) , and you still don’t do anything then it’s not love/ obsession/craziness etc it’s just stupidity, no one can love that person.

Losing love for someone because they did something wrong , that doesn’t mean you never loved that person , it’s just they never deserved it .

Even it that’s metaphor to measure the love that’s so wild tbh .

[Imaginator]

Yeah unconditional love is a bullshit only crazyness exist beyond it!

[Sholtro_Tenjerrot]

@Imaginator

Yeah unconditional love is a bullshit

That’s not what I meant bhai . Unconditional love is beautiful if it comes from both partners forever. But I was talking about the example, even if you love someone crazily, truly and unconditionally , no one can tolerate that from their loved one , that will be stupidity to do that.

[Mahesh27_03]

@Sholtro_Tenjerrot

no one can love that person.

I guess I identify as " no one"

Hypothetically, if something like this is done by a person, I claim to love

I might kill them for greater good
But I can’t UNLOVE them.

It’s beyond my control.
You can call it Craziness/obsession/trauma whatever.

[debellator]

I hope you can find the principles because otherwise it’s very morally ambiguous.
Lots of people have done evil but in their mind they believed they were doing good. If there is no clear standard anyone can argue that a certain deed is good and some people will agree with him while others will agree that a deed a bad and others will agree wth him.

For example, the case some time back, of a mother who came to court and shot the killer who murdered her daughter. While he was undergoing trial. Some will say this was a good act. Some will say this was a bad act.

[Mahesh27_03]

@Sholtro_Tenjerrot

no one can love that person.

I guess I identify as " no one"

Hypothetically, if something like this is done by a person, I claim to love

I might kill them for greater good
But I can’t UNLOVE them.

It’s beyond my control.
You can call it Craziness/obsession/trauma whatever.

[Imaginator]

You’re absolutely right. In reality, there is no absolute justification for any action; it all depends on individual perspectives. What one person sees as wrong, another might see as right. It’s like two sides of a coin: the same action can be viewed in completely different ways depending on who is judging it.

Take, for example, the case of the mother who shot the man accused of killing her daughter during his trial. Some people may see her act as justified, driven by a desire for justice and revenge. Others may see it as equally wrong because, in the end, she took another person’s life—he was someone’s child too.

Ultimately, concepts like good and bad, right and wrong, justice and evil, are human constructs. They don’t exist as absolute truths in reality but are shaped by our beliefs, experiences, and cultural standards. What we consider to be right or wrong exists only in our minds, influenced by the standards we choose to live by.