what āmanyā assumptions did I make about you? You mean the triggering part? I still have added the question mark on it. And what about this?
You were the one to say it.
add ālike thisā as two more words in that statement.
You definitely made some calls which were uncalled for. I did not find them pleasant at all. Apply that āgrow upā part to yourself as well. I really kept things polite in my first reply. I only said that I disagree. You seem to have quickly rushed to defend what you hold closely yourself, at the same time accusing me of it.
You are right about what I follow, but wrong about how it operates.
Some more background, Sanatana also says that this universe is not the only one. That there are trillions more universes like ours. With their own complete set of deities and their own Brahma.
That is the material realm, and even that is beyond the grasp (you canāt really go to the other universes or prove their existence).
Then beyond the material realm is the spirtual realm, which is eternal.
Actually itās a really diverse religion. It does consider universe as God, ruled by a lesser version of the real God.
It has higher dimensions as itās concepts ruled by higher Godās and the epitome is ruled by The highest version of God.
It describes each universe having cycles, with multiple infinite universes having their on cycles, governing dieties. The cycles are governed by the age of Brahma, the creator of each universe. Each universe has its own Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.
The godās you see are the different aspects of same power that governs the Multiversal creation it explains.
our entire conversation was based on logical assumptions we made about each other. Do you really want to go into every assumption?
exactly my point
donāt know what you mean by that
what did I say that was uncalled for? Please list that so I can check those.
You disagreed, I logically replied to that. Where was the rush to defend? I just wanted to know what others think about it. Youāre simply throwing things here and there honestly.
almost like thatās why I asked in the first place?
Again, your whole āwhy are you judging meā is not valid then? And was my earlier conclusion regarding my assumptions totally wrong after all?
yes, he is called as Maha Vishnu. He breathes in and breathes out the universes. Through his nostrils as well as his skin (not really sure about it, will have to look it up).
When he breathes in, the universes are destroyed, when he breathes out they are created. For him itās a few seconds, for us it is trillions of years. Like time dilation (but not really based on relativity)
For him universes are mere atoms, and even he is actually subservient to the actual supreme.
I will just say itās a trap. If I speak more, that will come questioning who created it or why and why so vague and why the stories portray that even if the bad karma happened due to external factors, I am liable to pay for it.
you want to sound like you have some moral superiority over me, like when you said āmany assumptionsā that I made and āfewā you made. You want to downplay the way you have acted and it is also one form of passive aggression.
You donāt really have it. And I donāt want to hop into every other detail. Yes you attacked me, saying that I donāt know stuff. Which isnāt true.
I try to make as little assumptions as possible.
The higher and lower dimensions are planes of ascension and desencion. 7 above, so 7 below.
They actually have a very complex map of the universe which I canāt describe here. I can send a reference though. Although it would be hard to understand since most of it aspects are described in a way so that humans understand it. Like planes are compared to hills, rivers, etc.
As per ascension and desencion it is all based on how you act morally in your lifetimes. A diety can become a human, a human can become a demon and so on.
again, this is pretty much you throwing a tantrum essentially. I do not wish to converse further with you then. You have made some claims, when I ask you to explain why so I can understand, you simply either attack something else or just say you donāt want to talk.
I would like to see where you got it from. Any source if you can provide.
One more thing, I donāt really describe the Hindu stuff using the word ādimensionsā because these are largely modern concepts. Iād recommend you to do the same.
Many times Sanskrit words donāt get properly translated, like āAtmaā is not at all a properly translated as āsoulā.
Ahimsa isnāt merely non violence, as himsa can also be done by words. Ahimsa is restriction in that too.
I have a lot more to say actually, but Iām really exhausted and dizzy. I donāt have the capacity to go through every detail.
You may call it a tantrum but I really held back.
You donāt want to converse then donāt. I made a mistake of staying here.
I can definitely see your passive aggressive jabs at me.
@debellator
Actually the reason I did not wanted to discuss about religions specifically is this only. In religious aspects, people get hurt. So, we ought to be careful.
Modern doesnāt mean wrong, and dimensions are mentioned in your religion, 11 specifically
What differentiates a soul from Atma, both are same tbh. Do tell me though, whatās the difference you think there is?
Umm, you need to give arguments if you think so.
Sure, alot of them. Which spiritual leader do you follow. I can get proof exactly from their understanding.
fair enough. Actually I wish to discuss with you only, because you are mature enough. Wasnāt interesting in talking to others. Other people come in between shove their ideas (not that there is anything wrong in sharing ideas) and then leave if anyone responds to it. But you are right, itās better to avoid it. I just felt a bit interested in discussing them today idk why. Anyways, I did learn some new things today, so appreciate your time. I will log off now.
not sure if thatās true. From what I know 11 dimensions are from string theory. Iād like a source of this too.
Atma is the spark of life, and it has 2 more coverings. One is subtle body which has your thoughts and patterns, other is the gross body which is the physical body you see.
Atma is ą¤øą¤ą„ą¤ą¤æą¤¦ą¤¾ą¤Øą¤ą¤¦, meaning it is full of knowledge and bliss and is supposed to have that absolute free will, and thus it is never malicious either (because it is in the state of constant bliss and as such does not have ego issues or pain and does not have clouded judgement like we humans can have. The monks who practice to be like this in our world would be comparable to the tendencies of Atma).
Compare it with the good vs bad spirits in Christianity.
The ābad spiritsā or ābad ghostsā that youāll see from the Hindu perspective arenāt malicious because they are bad spirits but because their covering is like that. The Atma inside it isnāt malicious if freed.
They may not have the gross covering, but they still have a subtle covering.
Other things Iāll have to look up. I have spent my dopamine reserves today and Iām unable to think properly at the moment. Iām dizzy so I canāt do much. I can barely walk in a straight line too.