Christian Discussion/Debate

Y’all interested in starting a thread where we discuss Assassin’s Creed stuff?

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That is probably a little be too far off topic for this forum? Maybe better to do that on reddit or so

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Reddit is fine and all, but what is the point of having people with similar problems if we can only discuss those problems. Honestly talking about porn and whatnot kinda makes it worse sometimes. It’d be good to talk to people with similar interests, people who know you’re damaged but are ok with it. That way we can help each other if we need to, but we don’t require a struggle in order to talk. Personally, video games help me a ton, especially when I’m trying to clear my head or get through a struggle.

But you’re the boss

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If this guy gets and Assassins Creed thread I get an anime thread :joy:

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I don’t see a problem with that

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Group DMs are always an option as well. That way you can have a good lively thread that is only visible to those you add.

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Well, actually I don’t believe a majority of current scientists even believe in the Big Bang now…it’s just too violating the Laws of Thermodynamics and conservation of matter/energy/angular momentum/any other conservation law. Same thing with evolution-it’s not observable, testable, or repeatable so it’s not science. It takes as much faith to believe in evolution as it takes to believe in God.

(I’m a creationist btw)

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Most of the scientists still believe in big bang theory . The hubble’s law and the cosmic microwave background is still working and is observed throughtout the universe. The laws of physics breaks at singularity cause only after the point of singularity the universe comes in being and so does universal laws of physics

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Evolution is observable. You can take the example of galapagos finches, presence of vestigeal organs, common origin in organisms, presence and absence of palmaris longus and wisdom teeth inside human population. Even the domestication of animals and the presence of the dogs at the home are an example of evolution.It is testable, we test it through artificial selection and drug resistance in micro organism. These things are repeatable too.

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That’s not evolution. That’s adaptation.

Evolution is one species evolving into another. Turtle turning into a cat? That’s evolution. Galapagos’ finches’ beaks varying in size/shape? That’s adaptation. Same for all your examples. What we see now are species adapting, not transforming from one species to another of an entirely different Kingdom. We have never ever seen evolution. People confuse evolution and adaptation a lot.

If you research with an open mind, you’ll see that all ‘vestigial organs’ have scientifically proven uses too :wink:

Here’s one helpful link:

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Why should the Universe come into being? Why does something exist instead of nothing? How can such Laws exist just from abstraction if there is no necessity for their being? :slight_smile: just some questions I have :joy: about that

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you are completely right. We have never and will never see one animal changing into an animal of a different kingdom. That is hilarious and will never happen. A dog will never turn into a turtle. Why should it?

What you call adaptation is one part of evolution. Evolution simply means any change of an animal. That can be inherited change (at one point, human with blue eyes will almost die out because of its weak inheritance, breading is another example) or adaptation to the environment (human in sunny areas have darker skin to protect them from the sunlight)

The question is, at what point do we call something a separate animal? If sea turtle start to find more food on land, they will adapt to better maneuver on land. So over the centuries their fins changed. They adapted to the new environment. I personally would argue that sea turtles and land turtles are pretty much two different animals. Same goes for wolfs and dogs.

The misunderstanding is that animals don’t evolve between different species. It’s not once a dog then a bird and later an elephant. Maybe the land turtle had no predators on the island so it started to get a weaker shell. With a weaker shell it could have had more flexible legs due to the reduced weight. Over time it becomes a new, previously not existing, animal

Khan is always a great source

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This is a really interesting topic. The question is, does there need to be a reason?
Do we have a bigger goal in our life or do we simply exist and the goal is the one we have on our own?

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Galapagos finches belong to different species and not a single species. So the there was adaptation and speciation involved. The change in heritable charecteristics over successive generation is called evolution. It can happen during genetic drift or natural selection. The animal becoming one species to another is speciation. Since you answered the functions of vestigial organs, what is the definition of vestigial organs has to be mentioned. It is the remnants of organs that our ancestors possessed.

It may retain some functions or develop minor new ones. Still it is vestigial.

Cats got domesticated from wild species and building up of inheritable characteristics according to natural selection lead to genetic drift and thus speciation happened.
Australopithecus turning into homo habilis is evolution.
The turtle wont evolve into cat since the birds and mammals are evolved from reptile like ancestor long ago. The adaptation is a form of natural selection through which evolution happens.

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If you were not there when this happened then what you are doing is believing a theory, not a fact. Evolution is a theory, not a fact.

There is an entire book on how vestigial organs are useful, which is referenced in the link in my previous post. My definition of vestigial organs is the same as yours, only I see there are actual uses to them :slight_smile:

Do you think it is possible for them to ever speciate outside of being Galapagous finches?

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If there is no reason, then all life is vanity. If there is no overarching goal, then we are pointless beings. Screw nofap, it is for losers. Just enjoy the heck out of life and die.

Of course, there has to be a reason, otherwise we wouldn’t be living like decent human beings. :slight_smile:

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If this has been seen to happen, or recorded to have happened by someone who was actually there, I would believe it. If not, it is just a theory. You can have faith and believe in it, and I have faith too and believe in God. :smiley:

Adaptation is a natural fact. It is observable, testable and repeatable in everyday science. Evolution is not a fact, rather an invalidated theory. if humans were really millions of years old, the blue-eyed trait would have died years ago. Again, all these example evolutionists give are simply adaptations, not actual evolution.

Creationists believe in adaptation, that God has given all creatures the ability to adapt specifically to their own environment. What we don’t believe in is bacteria to man evolution.

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I could say the same about your belief in God. Its not a fact. And also since the theory of evolution is pretty much Unchallenged, i guess we could only accept the most plausible explanation.

Doesnt matter much if you believe in vestigial organs and doesnt believe in having ancestors which pretty much stamped in the definition

They belong to different species

And I hereby rest my case. Won’t be taking part in further dialogues since the conversation is moving to philosophical side and I am not an atheist.

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Damn you know your science bruh… :v:

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Evolution and big bang are the kind of things scientists have dedicated their lives to proving right. Theres a lot of credibility to it through tonnes of research. Just because it doesn’t conform to someones beliefs doesn’t mean its Untrue. We wouldn’t learn it in schools and colleges if evolution and stuff was made up.

I know its a tough pill to swallow to understand what made big bang happen then? No one knows thats why there are theories. And the thing about science is nothing is true unless proven. Even initial researches on how universe came into existence were discarded when new and better explanations came.

Im in no way saying people to stop believe what they wanna believe, but it must be backed by something concrete. Just as @Geektronex pointed out, darwins finches for one are great example of adaptation and eventually speciation. Now thats how evolution works. Hell coronavirus mutating is also an evolution.

So in short believe what you think is right. But be open to the idea that what you believe might be wrong too.

Whats your opinion @Geektronex

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